[CRS_META] CR post from mcclatch15 at hotmail.com requires approval

[Tim C.]

Scott McClatchey wrote:
 > Dear list moderator,
 >    I have had two recent messages rejected, with no reason given. Could
 > you please explain? I think that they were relevant to the list and to
 > caloric restriction.
 >    I certainly accept rejection of a message with good reason, but this
 > is discouraging to me. I am very careful in my posts.
 >
 > Scott McClatchey

Hi Scott,

This - below - appears to be one of the messages.  I assume it was rejected
for not having trimmed quotes:

http://www.calorierestriction.org/node/130

This answer was not apparent to me earlier.  Moderating can be a bit of
challenge with holiday-related travel and festivities.

This is an excellent analysis and should be on list.  If you could trim
the re-quoted emails, that would be great.  Our archives store information
by thread/subject line so that context is typically maintained from one
message to the next.  For this reason, and many others, we have asked
for a long time that quotes be limited when practical.

Thanks,

-Tim C.
cc: Jack, Meta


> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: RE: [CR] CRON more expensive?
> From: "Scott McClatchey" <mcclatch15 at hotmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:36:04 -0800
> To: cr at lists.calorierestriction.org
> 
> 
> Dear Erin,
>    I think you are generally correct: good quality food (optimally 
> nutritious) is relatively expensive.
>    I like to think of it in other terms: if we actually eat more poor 
> quality food in order to eat enough nutrients (protein, essential fats, 
> vitamins, etc.), then there is a cost in terms of lifespan and health 
> span. That extra cheeseburger might COST you $50 in terms of lost 
> potential wages, IN ADDITION to the loss of health- and life-span. See 
> below for the calculations illustrating why I say this:
> 
> 
>    So, how much does a calorie cost, in terms of life span lost? Take 
> the example of a 40 year old with an ad lib life span of 78 yr and an ad 
> lib caloric intake of 2296 calories/day (typical). We will presume for 
> the sake of argument that humans have the same response to CR that lab 
> rats do (based on the summary of B J Merry).
>    If he goes on a 30% CR diet (1607 cal/day) his weight decreases from 
> 158 to 110 lbs; his expected life span goes up from 78 yr to 88 yr. If 
> he were then to INCREASE his food intake back to ad lib levels, he would 
> "lose" 10 yr of life span by eating an additional (2296-1607 = ) 689 
> cal/day for his remaining 38 yr of life.
>    This is a total of 689 cal/day * 365 days/yr * 38 yr of life = 
> 10,080,070 "extra" calories
>    For these calories he "pays" 10 yr * 365 days/yr * 24 hr/day * 60 
> min/hr * 60 sec/min = 315,360,000 seconds of life
>    Thus the "Cost per Calorie" = 315,360,000 seconds / 10,080,070 
> "extra" calories = 31 seconds per calorie.
>    Here is another way of thinking of it: you lose 2 hours of life for 
> the pleasure of eating an EXTRA 240 calorie candy bar.
>    Here is another way of thinking of it: you lose 1 day for each 2787 
> calories you eat.
> 
> How much money does each calorie cost?
> Annual earnings = $100,000 (put in your own value for your peak earnings 
> years)
> seconds in a day = 86,400
> calories/day lost = 2160
> Earnings per day = $273.97
> $/calorie (in lost wages) = $273.97 / 2160 = $0.13
> So, that extra 240 calorie candy bar cost you = $30.44
> Note: the more you make (at your peak earnings level), the more 
> expensive (in $) each calorie is to you.
> 
> 
> 
>> From: "Erin" <truepatriot at metrocast.net>
>> Reply-To: The CR Society Main Discussion List 
>> <cr at lists.calorierestriction.org>
>> To: "The CR Society Main Discussion List" 
>> <cr at lists.calorierestriction.org>
>> Subject: [CR] CRON more expensive?
>> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:39:36 -0500
>>
>> In her erudite response to a recent Rudd Center blog entry,
>> April argues that she actually spends less now on food than
>> she did prior to embarking upon CR.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I have not found the same.  My large and
>> frequent grocery purchases of produce provide the evidence.
>> Add in the "gourmet" stuff, like glucomannan noodles, dried
>> mushrooms (more economical than fresh), pomegranate juice,
>> tofu/tempeh/soy nuts, etc., etc., and we're talking a lot
>> of money.
>>
>> Fast food is CHEAP!  A buck for a cheeseburger!?  This is
>> surely one of the factors in why low-income areas are so
>> often replete with unhealthy individuals; only the bad food
>> is affordable.  Think also of boxed mac n' cheese, canned
>> veggies, and so on.
>>
>>
>> -Erin
>> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "April Smith" <aprilsmith12 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The CR Society Main Discussion List" 
>> <cr at lists.calorierestriction.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:48 AM
>> Subject: [CR] Response to Rudd Center Blog entry on CR
>>
>>
>> [...snip...]
>>
>> Third, you write:
>>
>> As far as I can tell, none of these people have
>> children, and they all are fairly well off.
>>
>> As a union organizer, I am very sensitive to the class
>> implications of most everything. One of my favorite
>> things about Food Fight by Rudd Center director Dr.
>> Kelly Brownell is the immense attention he pays to the
>> difficulties of poor and working class Americans. I
>> find that my food budget is actually less now than it
>> was before I started CR because while I still enjoy
>> the occasional meal out at one of our fabulous Philly
>> restaurants, I eat out much less, and I never grab
>> fast food takeout. By packing my food for work (often
>> both lunch and dinner, as I work a whole lot of 12 and
>> 16 hour days) and enjoying homecooked meals with my
>> partner, I save a whole lot of money. By favoring
>> organic and local produce, I support organic farmers
>> with the dollars I could have been wasting on fast
>> food. Overall, my lifestyle leaves a smaller imprint
>> on the planet than did my pre-CR eating habits. While
>> learning about nutrition took an initial investment of
>> time, I find that now I spend no more time cooking
>> than any other, non-CR'd woman I know who cooks for
>> herself and her family. In fact, I often put dinner
>> for two on the table faster than I could have driven
>> to a drive-thru!
>>
>> [...snip...]
>>
>>
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