[CRS_META] declined: crsociety - no trim

[Tim C.]

Meta,
My off-list message is below.
-Tim C.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim C." <crsociety at diethacker.com>
To: <xceleste at att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [off-list-CR] Resveratrol, CR Combo


> Hi Celeste,
>
> I forwarded your message to Bob off-list.  As a future FYI,
> we generally like to have thank yous delivered off-list and
> - equally important - it helps to trim posts of extra, quoted
> content.  This keeps list volume managable for our 1500+
> readers.
>
> By the way, your last post was perfect:
>
> http://lists.calorierestriction.org/pipermail/cr_lists.calorierestriction.org/2007-April/004759.html
>
> -Tim C.
> PS: here is a listing of our complete posting guidelines:
> http://www.calorierestriction.org/node/130
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <xceleste at att.net>
> To: "The CR Society Main Discussion List" <cr at lists.calorierestriction.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Resveratrol, CR Combo
>
>
>> Thank you for your thoughtful reply Bob.  Very helpful.
>>
>> Celeste
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: phillips at kcnet.com
>>>
>>> > Bob:
>>> >
>>> > Intrigued...wondering why you wouldn't touch it?  Is it because there is
>>> > no definitive research to support claims?
>>> >
>>> > Celeste
>>>
>>> Hi Celeste,
>>>
>>> It is not specific to resveretrol.  I try to avoid eating anything
>>> manufactured, as opposed to grown or raised.  I also exclude genetically
>>> engineered products.
>>>
>>> I also do not believe science offers up such a thing as definitive research.
>>>
>>> Science/medicine has a history of recommending chemicals we should ingest
>>> that will somehow improve our lives.  That history is replete with
>>> examples of the recommended product turning out to be harmful, or of no
>>> use.
>>>
>>> Al just posted a recent example - remember hormone replacement therapy for
>>> women past 50?  Up until recently it was being touted to patients.  Now we
>>> find out it may increase the chance of breast cancer, something not known
>>> when it was being pushed.
>>>
>>> People with the very best of intentions using the latest knowledge backed
>>> up by government, industry and academia were pushing those chemicals.
>>> Apparently, women who would otherwise not have died so soon, died of
>>> breast cancer by taking that advice.  I doubt a year goes by that that
>>> sort of mistake does not happen.
>>>
>>> My underlying concern is that biology/biochemistry is so incredibly
>>> complex that at this stage in our pursuit of knowledge we really have
>>> almost no understanding of the mechanisms involved.  We are tinkerers.
>>>
>>> I support scientific research 100% and certainly am enjoying the benefits
>>> of all that the scientists and engineers have done for us.
>>>
>>> But unless something is going wrong with me physiologically and there
>>> seems no alternative but to take mandmade chemicals, I avoid taking them
>>> as best I can.
>>>
>>> The reason I said I do not believe there is definitive research is that
>>> fundamentally, science does not prove anything.  What it does is run some
>>> tests, get some results, interpret the results, then based on mathematical
>>> assumptions assign a probability that these same results will be achieved
>>> when that same test is run again.
>>>
>>> Note "interpret". "assumptions", "probability".  Science is the best we
>>> have, but definitive is one thing it is not.
>>>
>>> So as always in life, you make your choices and take your chances. Until
>>> resveratrol has been around for decades and tested far more than it has
>>> been to date, it is not a chance worth taking, IMO.
>>>
>>> But there are certainly others on this list who think resveratrol is just
>>> great.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
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