[CRS_META] declined: crsociety - off-topic

[Tim C.]

>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Miles Rose"
>> To: "The CR Society Main Discussion List" <cr at lists.calorierestriction.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:00 AM
>> Subject: does anyone have any experience with cenegenics?
>>
>
>> > http://www.cenegenics-ny.com/
>> >

Hi Meta,

This email is in regards to the above submission.  The quote just below
my signoff is one of two responses sent to Miles.

The second email is separated by a line of asterisks (*****).

How much testing would one expect for $2495?

-Tim C.



> Hi Miles,
>
> My fellow moderator, Jack (jwwright on list), saw your inquiry and
> judged the linked company as highly suspect.  Subsequently the email
> was not posted to list.
>
> If you did not yet have further information from Cenegenics, Jack got
> their form response and that is copied below.  This would appear
> to be their reply after filling out the web-form registration.
>
> In my next email, I will send you some more thoughts on the issue.
> Having read some of the below, I suspect they base their diagnosis
> based on age and patient's wallet size.  AFAIK, injected hormones
> are not established yet as a life-extending strategy or safe.
>
> -Tim C.
>
>
> ****************************
> Jack's email below:
> ****************************
>
> Got this from Alan Mintz. contains a little more info.
> Perhaps, we could consider an invite to present his philosophy?
> Oddly, I don't see aging listed.
> Just wondering.
>
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Alan Mintz, M.D.
> To: jwwright at eastex.net
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:12 PM
> Subject: Cenegenics Medical Institute, RE: Mr. Jw Wright
>
>
> Dear Mr. Wright:
>
> We appreciate your interest in Cenegenics Medical Institute.
>
>
>
> It would be useful if we speak. I do not have your phone number. Please feel free to contact me directly or alternatively
> email me your phone number and the best time to call you in Pacific Time Zone terms, I will be happy to initiate the call.
> Once I understand your issues and goals, I can forward additional information that would be more relevant to your specific
> interests. Please contact me directly at the office between 7 a.m. and 5 p.m. Pacific Time toll-free or alternatively email
> me a phone number with the best time to contact you, and I will initiate the call.  If you have any lab work you wish for me
> to review, please fax it to me.  My contact information is listed below.  The information you provide, as well as our
> conversation, is strictly confidential and without obligation.
>
>
>
> How did you hear about us? We have been fortunate to be the subject of substantial national media coverage this year
> beginning with a major article featuring Cenegenics Medical Institute in the January 2006 issue of GQ magazine, followed by
> comprehensive interviews on 60 Minutes, CNBC, National Public Radio, the Today Show and Geraldo.  The Las Vegas Review
> Journal also featured Cenegenics on the front page of its Sunday edition with an in-depth piece on the Institute.  There has
> been significant additional print and television coverage in the Nevada area as well.  Vogue magazine and Gannett
> Publications will be featuring articles on Cenegenics in their publications, and HBO will air its coverage by the end of the
> year. We have also been chosen as 1 of 5 of the most influential medical concepts for the 21st Century and will be included
> in a national public television series hosted by Ken Dychtwald, noted author, lecturer and recognized expert on aging, to air
> next year.
>
>
>
> Here is an electronic copy of the GQ Article Reprint.  This article is well worth reading because it gives an accurate
> picture of the Institute, our mission, and the success we have with our patients. Even though GQ is a male magazine, our
> success applies to women as well.
>
>
>
> Also available is the "Aging in the 21st Century" - Transcript of 60 Minutes on CBS from the segment that aired Sunday, April
> 23rd featuring Cenegenics® Medical Institute.  The producers of 60 Minutes informed me that due to the huge positive audience
> response, the segment re-aired midsummer.
>
>
>
> Lastly I have included the KNPR Interview with Dr. Alan Mintz - Transcript.
>
>
>
> Here are the reasons most men your age seek out Cenegenics® Medical Institute. Please see the links titled Energy and
> Productivity - A Sense of Well-Being, Libido, Sexual Performance, Body Composition - Increasing Lean Muscle, Decreasing Body
> Fat and Brain Function and Memory Loss Prevention.
>
>
>
> Here are some thoughts about andropause. Please see the link titled Andropause (Male Menopause). Our focus is optimal health.
> Regaining and maintaining metabolic and endocrine functions at the upper end of the normal range for your age gives you the
> best opportunity for a healthy and vigorous life.
>
>
>
> The issues associated with body composition, energy, and brain and sexual function, are related to hormonal deficiencies.
> We start to lose one to three percent of our hormones at age thirty, so that by the time we turn forty, we are certainly
> aware of the difference.  The evaluation process will determine the deficiencies or partial deficiencies, if any, in all of
> these hormones and an appropriate program can be structured that will be unique for you.  The good news is that once these
> deficiencies are identified, they are correctable.  In addition to short-term benefit, we receive the best opportunity for
> long-term health and vigor.
>
>
>
> Andropause/Male Menopause is real.  We lose critical hormones at the rate of 2%-3% per year beginning at age 30.   Most men
> in their late 30's or early 40's understand that life is not as it should be . or could be.  An individualized program based
> on the results of a comprehensive evaluation can have tremendous beneficial effects for the short-term, and create a better
> opportunity to live well longer.  A poorly designed program can have significant negative effects, both in the short-term and
> long-term.
>
>
>
> It is important to note that skin preparations are unreliable, and more importantly, they cause unintended side effects such
> as baldness, enlargement of the prostate, and high estrogen levels.  Injectable Testosterone to treat adult deficiency is far
> more effective, safe, and can be used long-term without negative side effects.
>
>
>
> For men in their 30's, 40's, and even early 50's, direct Testosterone supplementation is usually contraindicated.  When the
> stimulating hormone, Luteinizing Hormone (LH), from the pituitary gland is low, the appropriate therapy is to stimulate the
> testicles with a hormone that stimulates LH causing the testicles to produce more testosterone on their own. This has a more
> physiologic benefit and will keep your own testicles active.  Use of direct Testosterone supplementation in patients with low
> stimulating hormone (LH) will completely shut down the testicles causing testicular atrophy. Many doctors are well meaning,
> but not well informed, and can inadvertently produce very negative side effects. I would be very happy to discuss this issue
> with you in greater detail.
>
>
>
> Individuals make the decision to become Cenegenics patients to increase their energy level - including sexual energy, reduce
> body fat, increase lean muscle, improve cognitive function, lower cholesterol, enhance mood, improve ability to handle
> stress, and strengthen the immune system so as to remain as disease free as possible.  Cenegenics helps its patients achieve
> their goals 95+% of the time.
>
>
>
> The following links will take you to the medical literature that serves as the foundation for the therapies that we utilize
> so successfully with our patients, not only for short-term benefit, but also for the best opportunity to achieve a long-term
> healthy and vigorous life.  The links below are organized by topic.
>
>
>
> Abdominal Obesity
>
> Adult Growth Hormone Deficiency
>
> Body Composition
>
> Bone Density
>
> Burns & Wounds
>
> Cancer
>
> Cognitive Function
>
> Coronary Risk & Heart Disease
>
> Crohn's Disease
>
> Depression
>
> Diabetes
>
> Energy, Productivity & Well-Being
>
> Exercise
>
> Female Menopause - All Phases
>
> Fibromyalgia
>
> Healthcare System Issues
>
> Immune Function
>
> Kidney Function
>
> Male Menopause - Andropause
>
> Metabolic Syndrome
>
> Metabolism
>
> Nutrition
>
> Prostate Function
>
> Rheumatoid Arthritis
>
> Sexual Performance & Libido
>
> Skin Appearance & Elasticity
>
> Sleep Pattern Disorders
>
> Thyroid
>
> Vitamin Supplements
>
>
>
> The most important element necessary for the success of any medical therapy is the expertise and experience of the physicians
> in whom you place your trust for your health care.  Our physicians are certified in Age Management Medicine and have a wealth
> of experience in hormone modulation therapies, nutritional strategies and exercise science.  Our goal is to have you become
> comfortable with the science, the therapies, and the Cenegenics Medical Institute as a world leader in Age Management
> Medicine.
>
>
>
> Cenegenics Education and Research Foundation provides a learning opportunity, offering Physician Training & Certification in
> Age Management Medicine through the joint sponsorship of the Foundation for Care Management for a maximum of 60 AMA PRA
> Category 1 CreditsTM.  Through university and medical school affiliations, we offer medical residents and practicing
> physicians unique learning opportunities in the medical and business aspects of age management.
>
>
>
> With patients from every state and several countries, twenty-five percent of which are physicians and their families,
> Cenegenics consistently receives regional, national, and international media exposure.  Our commitment to a high standard of
> business is evidenced by the fact Cenegenics holds the top rating (for a private entity) with Dun & Bradstreet and­--after
> nine years and thousands of inquiries­-- maintains a "satisfactory record" with the Better Business Bureau.
>
>
>
> The next critical step is the evaluation process. This will help us determine your unique hormonal and metabolic needs. We
> will then be able to structure a program that will address not only the short term benefit we are all looking for but the
> best opportunity to live well longer.
>
>
>
> Let me describe the evaluation process and the associated cost here at the Institute. Please know that if we do not meet your
> expectations we will return the entire $2495 cost to you the day that you are here, even though we have already spent about
> $2200 for the laboratory work, which we will obtain prior to your visit.
>
>
>
> Your Executive Health Evaluation establishes your hormonal and metabolic "baseline" and provides your Cenegenics® Institute
> Physician with the medical information necessary to design a program to increase your energy level - including sexual energy,
> reduce body fat, increase lean muscle, improve cognitive function, lower cholesterol, enhance mood, improve ability to handle
> stress, and strengthen the immune system so as to remain as disease free as possible.
>
>
>
> When you decide to schedule your Executive Health Evaluation it will take approximately fifteen minutes to obtain your
> information and select an available date.  Within five working days after your evaluation is scheduled, you will receive a
> package that includes the Health & Lifestyle Assessment, AGHD Assessment, BDI Analysis, and Essential Evaluation Day Details.
> You will be asked to complete the Health & Lifestyle Assessment, AGHD Assessment, and BDI Analysis, and return them to
> Cenegenics.  We require Pap smear results from women obtained by your primary care physician within a year preceding your
> exam with us.  Documentation of annual mammograms is required for women forty years and older.
>
>
>
> Within two weeks after you schedule your evaluation, you will receive a call from our partner phlebotomy network to schedule
> a blood draw and urinalysis conveniently from your home or office.  This can be done Monday thru Thursday and requires a
> twelve hour fast.  The phlebotomists will FedEx your blood "cold-pack" to our partner lab for analysis. Cenegenics will
> receive your lab results within three weeks from the date your blood was drawn.
>
>
>
> Your Executive Health Evaluation will last approximately seven to eight hours.  The evaluation includes a physical
> examination, special diagnostics (i.e. bone densitometry and Neurological Chronometric Assessment), a comprehensive nutrition
> and exercise consultation, and an open-ended physician consultation usually lasting two hours. Your Cenegenics Physician will
> discuss with you his findings based on your labs, diagnostics, medical history and lifestyle.  After every issue has been
> thoroughly discussed and all of your questions have been answered, a comprehensive program will be designed and presented to
> you that both you and your Cenegenics physician agree upon.  This program will enable you to achieve both your short-term and
> long-term fitness and health goals.
>
>
>
> The cost of Executive Health Evaluation is $2495. We should point out that the retail price of the Baseline Lab Panel alone
> exceeds $2200.  Please remember this experience comes with a money-back guarantee since your evaluation will be completed at
> the Cenegenics Medical Institute in Nevada or South Carolina - if we do not meet your expectations, we will return your money
> the day that you are here.
>
>
>
> The literature continues to mount in favor of a balanced endocrine system in a healthy range - the upper 25 to 30% of the
> normal range adjusted for age. This provides the best opportunity for patients to have a high quality of life not only for
> the short term, but to live well longer.
>
>
>
> Please review this article published in the Archives of Internal Medicine titled, Low Serum Testosterone and Mortality in
> Male Veterans. This is the premier journal for internal medicine physicians. Simply stated, low testosterone increases the
> risk of early mortality in men. This is a scary subject. The good news is we can do something about this and avoid premature
> disability and death.
>
>
>
> I would like to send you a package to give you additional perspective on the Cenegenics Medical Institute.  Included in the
> package are the following:
>
>
>
>  a.. The Complete Guide to Healthy Aging
>  b.. Quick Start Guide
>  c.. DVD about the Institute
>  d.. CD of recently published articles that I know you'll find of merit
>  e.. GQ article reprint featuring Cenegenics® Medical Institute. The author is one of the editors at GQ, is approximately
> your age, and an active patient.
>
>
> Once we speak, I can obtain your address and we can talk about what additional literature might be useful so that you can
> make a thoughtful decision.
>
>
>
> As the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Cenegenics Medical Institute, I have a profound and passionate belief that we
> can lead a much higher quality of life well into our eighties and nineties and avoid premature disability and death.  Allow
> me the opportunity to answer any questions and address any concern that you may have.  Please contact me directly at the
> office between 7 a.m. and 5 p.m. Pacific Time toll-free at 1.866.953.1535, or alternatively email me a phone number with the
> best time to contact you, and I will initiate the call.  If you have any lab work you wish for me to review, please fax it to
> 1.702.242.8802.  The information you provide, as well as our conversations, are strictly confidential and without obligation.
>
>
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan P. Mintz, M.D.
>
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Cenegenics® Medical Institute
>
> Las Vegas, NV
> US Phone Toll-Free:  1.866.953.1535
> International Phone:  001.702.953.1534
> Fax: 1.702.242.8802
> amintz at cenegenics.com
>
>
>
> P.S. I do hope you will call me. Once I better understand your issues and goals, I could send you the most relevant medical
> literature and other information that will help you make a thoughtful decision. Our conversations are confidential and
> without obligation.
>
>
>
> Alan P. Mintz, M.D., Biography
>
>
>
> Privacy Policy


2nd email
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim C." <crsociety at diethacker.com>
To: "Miles Rose"

> Miles,
>
> Below is Jack's first email on the issue.
>
> For my point of view, it would be nice to know how Cenegenics'
> "thorough set of diagnostics establishes your personal hormonal,
> metabolic and physical baseline" works and what one gets for
> their $2495.
>
> -Tim C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jwwright" <jwwright at eastex.net>
> To: "Tim C." <crsociety at diethacker.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Miles' cenegenics email
>
>
>> So I  logged on to cenegenics and read the brochure,
>> "Complete Guide to Healthy Aging". that's a caveat in
>> itself. Call me negative, but after an hour of digesting the
>> contents and thinking about it, the title tells me
>> everything I need to know. The other documents just tell me
>> to call them. It's an advertisement.
>>
>> Basically a hormone balance approach to an otherwise
>> suggested "healthy" lifestyle. Injections of HGH.
>> Plus other supplements. With the typical fitness types
>> inputs.
>> Offering a personal level of physician care, analysis of
>> tests.
>> I see nothing in the improvements that is beyond what a
>> regular doctor does except it emphasizes the use of hormones
>> for women, eg.
>>
>> Healthy people are easy to treat. It's when the doctor does
>> not recognize a hidden cancer due to lack of an adequate
>> protocol that we begin to suspect the weakness in their
>> profession. They treat problems - not aging.
>> There are cancers out there that can kill you in 6 months
>> that can go undetected regardless whether you get an annual
>> checkup, 6 months, whatever. The worst things go
>> undetected - they find minor things that may not even
>> require treatment.
>> No concept of anti-aging or a "healthy lifestyle" is going
>> to overcome that problem.
>>
>> A doctor today may offer an excellent level of long term
>> care to the limits of their protocol, and yet you will need
>> an on-call doctor for daily things - flu, viruses, things
>> that present quickly and are over before you can get an
>> appointment. If you can get in quickly they have anti viral
>> meds, but you can never get in to get them.
>> There is a level of care that only be done at home.
>>
>> And then there's an area of can we be healthier or age at a
>> lower rate?
>> In this group we have weight loss orgs, that profess weight
>> reduction to better health but they do not attempt to treat
>> people they cannot treat. They don't know how to treat to
>> 1200 # person which means they don't know what's wrong. They
>> can experiment.
>>
>> We have the charlatans, at least those that appear such. If
>> you cannot afford their treatments, you reject yourself, but
>> even if you can, they cannot guarantee you will not die of
>> cancer. In fact, they cannot even guarantee their "protocol"
>> will not aid the progression of cancer.
>>
>> I read and have read lotsa articles (thousands), and the
>> message that comes across is we need more analysis. We can't
>> even say for sure what causes hypertension or heart disease
>> or how to avoid them.
>>
>> The well known idea of ERT for women is almost as old as I.
>> I heard of it in the 40's. Yet there is a constant drone
>> that ERT will not help women or is riskier. IMO, BS. My
>> father-in-law was taking estrogen to keep his diseased body
>> alive in 1965. He had smoked too much - emphysema.
>>
>> The only thing I know with reasonable confidence is that CR
>> makes me healthier and I'll probably live longer, added to
>> my never smoking and never drinking much alcohol.
>> Maybe as long as my GGfather.
>>
>> Can we be sure of anything else?
>>
>> Regards.


>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim C." <crsociety at diethacker.com>
>>> To: "jwwright" <jwwright at eastex.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:25 PM
>>> Subject: Miles' cenegenics email
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>> I can't find this post in the archives or the moderation
>>> queue.
>>> Do you know if it was approved or declined?
>>>
>>> -Tim C.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Miles Rose" <mjrose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "The CR Society Main Discussion List"
>> <cr at lists.calorierestriction.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:00 AM
>>> Subject: does anyone have any experience with cenegenics?
>>>
>>>
>>> > http://www.cenegenics-ny.com/
>>> >